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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:16:00 -
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By 'death taxis' I mean the practice of using an LAV to make a heavy highly mobile and difficult to kill until driving up to someone, where they can jump out at point blank range and get almost guaranteed kills.
I see this as a problem because there's very little you can do about it. The weaknesses of the heavy are that it's not very quick, doesn't have equipment, and if using a HMG has little range.
All of these can be compensated for by using an LAV. Using an LAV essentially guarantees you can get into range, and speed is most definitely not a concern as you can easily outrun scouts in an LAV. It also compensates for equipment - you can put a scanner on the LAV (which is more effective than the infantry active scanners) and it's not difficult to make a quick supply depot run in an LAV.
So all of the normal heavy weaknesses are accounted for.
What about the weaknesses of the LAV?
In a quick drive-by situation, they're essentially non-existent.
In order to kill a vehicle, you need an AV weapon.
No AV weapon is able to kill the LAV before it reaches them and they get mowed down. Even a pre-charged breach forge gun wouldn't be able to do this. So killing the LAV is out.
What about killing the heavy once it gets out?
The heavy has the largest health pool of an infantry unit by a long way, naturally. It also has the most effective anti-infantry weapon. When you're presented with this in close quarters, there is very little you can do. The LAV heavy can force this engagement. Nothing other than -possibly- another heavy can survive it.
What if you start to beat the heavy? Maybe you have a teammate or two shooting the heavy as well.
They may not be able to save you (it's quite likely they won't - the HMG will kill most targets in under a second) but maybe they'll be able to avenge you?
Except they can't. Because the heavy can instantly hop back into the LAV, where a large health pool immune to small arms fire and the highest land mobility in the game awaits it.
Death taxis are a broken mechanic. How to fix? In/out animations can't be done, apparently.
Possibly reduce the HP of LAVs, so AV weapons can kill feasibly kill them before it drops the heavy next to them? For reasons unknown they received a load of HP buffs over Uprising - getting a large base HP buff after the first vehicle base HP patch, and then in the case of the armour LAVs getting a lot more HP in 1.7. A Baloch has some 3000 total HP - far too much to be realistically killable before you get ganked by a heavy.
AV grenades used to be protective against this, but unless you're using Lai Dai packed grenades you won't be able to kill a Baloch and chances are the heavy can still get out anyway.
I'm at a loss for how to fix this. But I feel that this is a very, very broken tactic.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Then by that logic is it fair to say Jihad Jeeps are a broken tactic.....which they are.
I don't think they're quite as broken because they require a variety of things such as committing suicide and some significant preparation time, though.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.18 05:56:00 -
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Mauren NOON wrote:I think scouts with REs are a broken tactic. But no one fix's that..oh...you run 10 meters a second and have an equipment that can insta kill anyone? Why even carry weapons. Just carry hives and continue chucking them like frisbees
Guess what?
They're being nerfed.
Now there is no excuse for even a heavy to not get well out of the way of the blast zone before they're primed.
Frisbee REs are no longer a thing.
I'm rather disappointed at the number of people in here who haven't even tried to present an argument for drive-by heavies, they've just gone 'no but THIS is OP!!11!' referring to a completely different thing.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.18 06:09:00 -
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Joe Macro wrote:Gotta chime in on this. I remember back when everyone had a BPO LAV. I learned quick to fit AV grenades. It worked on 90% of the murder taxi's or Drive by Heavies. Then they nerfed AV grenades.
Its pretty simple really, standard AV grenades should destroy MLT LAV and put a good dent in MLT tanks. That way if you really want to be a murder taxier or Drive by Heavy, or pretend to be a tanker, then you need to skill into it.
Jihad Jeeps are not in this category, because it is about RE's not the vehicle and not so much about the fit the person driving it is in.
Im no pro at this game but I have seen enough to know how things work and I know the OP is not a typical QQ'er.
Unfortunately, since the base HP of all LAVs was buffed in 1.7 and the number of AV grenades you can carry was reduced in 1.8, that's no longer a viable way of dealing with them.
Two Lai Dai packed AV grenades (which is all you can carry, and are the most powerful AV grenade option available) will not kill an LAV with any tank modules added at all. They won't 1 hit any LAVs - which prevents them from being that effective, because to land a hit with an AV grenade the LAV is going to be within the HMG's optimal. Perhaps if you're using Lai Dai packeds you'll be able to kill the LAV if it's an Onikuma, but it won't save you.
If you're not using the proto packed grenades, then most LAVs are unkillable.
The sleek grenades won't even kill the weakest LAV at the proto tier, they can be discounted.
Wiyrkomis won't kill a Baloch either.
At EX-0 and below, you won't be able to even kill an Onikuma.
Of the very few things you can do against these, AV grenades are one of the best picks. Unfortunately, to use them means that you'll be in the firing line immediately as the heavy bails, if you're using some powerful enough to take out the LAV.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.18 12:45:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:after reading all the nerf heavy and nerf HMG comming from scouts and non heavy users it makes sence to use death taxi's cause at range heavys are at a severe disadvantage.
with the plasma cannon changes and such it shouldnt be hard to keep popping death taxi's
Did... Did you seriously just suggest using a plasma cannon?
Have you ever used a plasma cannon?
You can't kill an LAV before it reaches you by using a plasma cannon.
Also, it doesn't 'make sense' because people are complaining about heavies being overpowered. It makes sense because it renders the weaknesses of the class irrelevant.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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